From mo at morsi.org Sun Mar 1 12:38:05 2015 From: mo at morsi.org (Mo Morsi) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 06:38:05 -0500 Subject: [hackerspaces] Publicizing Hackerspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F2FA1D.5080400@morsi.org> Including a link to your space's homepage in your email might help :-) Marketing is important but also remember, be awesome and you'll attract awesome. There's alot of people out there that are looking for stuff like this, you just have to offer it. It has to be legit though, if it's all ego and no substance, people will see through the BS and cut out immediately. Warning though it never stops. Sometimes it'll be frustrating, sometimes addictively fun, but success is a mind set, it never ends so long as you live. -Mo On 02/28/2015 04:15 PM, Brendan M. wrote: > What are the best ways to get the info out there on meetings and about the hackerspace in general? Best ways for spreading the info at school? This is a teen hackerspace btw. I already have business cards, and I have begun to place them at various places such as coffee shops and local businesses. > > Thanks for any help, > > Brendan From me at romediusweiss.com Sun Mar 1 15:32:17 2015 From: me at romediusweiss.com (Romedius Weiss) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 15:32:17 +0100 Subject: [hackerspaces] Publicizing Hackerspace In-Reply-To: <54F2FA1D.5080400@morsi.org> References: <54F2FA1D.5080400@morsi.org> Message-ID: <54F322F1.4090708@romediusweiss.com> > be awesome and you'll attract > awesome. +1 for that It's as crucial to announce events as it is to document them and show people what they have missed. If you have a central Homepage pipe the content via RSS to Facebook and Twitter to generate attention. For our Arduino classes we had more people complaning that they have missed it after seeing the pics from the workshop than attending. Then it is easy to set up another workshop :) On 2015-03-01 12:38, Mo Morsi wrote: > Including a link to your space's homepage in your email might help :-) > > Marketing is important but also remember, be awesome and you'll attract > awesome. There's alot of people out there that are looking for stuff > like this, you just have to offer it. > > It has to be legit though, if it's all ego and no substance, people will > see through the BS and cut out immediately. > > Warning though it never stops. Sometimes it'll be frustrating, sometimes > addictively fun, but success is a mind set, it never ends so long as you > live. > > -Mo > > > On 02/28/2015 04:15 PM, Brendan M. wrote: >> What are the best ways to get the info out there on meetings and about >> the hackerspace in general? Best ways for spreading the info at >> school? This is a teen hackerspace btw. I already have business cards, >> and I have begun to place them at various places such as coffee shops >> and local businesses. >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Brendan > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 213 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From myself at telcodata.us Fri Mar 6 17:27:40 2015 From: myself at telcodata.us (Nathaniel Bezanson) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 11:27:40 -0500 Subject: [hackerspaces] Publicizing Hackerspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1425659260231987084@telcodata.us> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mannack at vmail.me Mon Mar 9 21:08:09 2015 From: mannack at vmail.me (Mannack) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 21:08:09 +0100 Subject: [hackerspaces] ifttt-alternative Message-ID: <54FDFDA9.30808@vmail.me> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello data travelers, I came across the possibilities of IFTTT (If this then that) on my android smartphone. And I liked the possibilities that came to my mind... Well... where there is light, there is shadow. I don't like the registration and this 'click here to sell us your soul, your firstborn and one rib of your mother'-feeling. I've got a little question for you: I would like to press a little widget, write some stuff send enter and send a e-mail to myself or create a textfile on my server through sftp/scp/git/mecurial/idontcare... ...or if I enter my work places wifi , my phone should mute & turn off the mobile data and if i leave it mobile data should go on and it should unmute itself. # Advanced mode: i can create similar triggers for my linux desktop # Do you guys know something compareable? And no, I think not, that I am capable of writing my own Andoid Apps. Thanks in advance, llap, Tom -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU/f2pAAoJEBd+GXiKlcia8U8P/2uzLZEiAWeNCMaeOwwl+fAs NzCi5iOSjUUptumCYFe2Pfa/RqMdx39I0316UkCaF54JYiycpgqQDdjqReBa2+9+ vql9IiFNWzWLGrf+b7N+7vgj3k4Cwke4eqn/DdT7YVhwQEMvX3Qo6HmFi71e7fyK eHabFIO/YkzKd8AQO0Hws7OHEMJ20OMw+sB+wXDZinlmDEVO+4oXuj5BAIY8nzYn dhmyupn4+8uPsh97b5la0RuozP0sQx+ODNt463J76xo2MTfiMYvXOj/jn/sTCdz6 L6RorL0YvGER4k0Ghl4KSs88xanrEphc9fsJLihmIR/u5l0LX6hshVJshisPRwaP pMm/8gJEGXfoX4vEjd8Qpb32LQBVi2OhdCoB2+CiCGUYr0L/xZVyH0p/6gyPPWDA iypcqApCpvwo4wPFbNLCRs30P5nnwmsJYra9B85ZjTKvKYys9XOcpOcQicdtErBp v2g8sjYXo3IDyVotijIEJ0b5gcYk4mj9mL5RxNX7m2KxOulpMxDlriB5ic82l8ob Fi16KYEj293OK1TlRd9++plAbUYRf2J5HlAMfCgVRir/+qSGA9/Ds1PqkZ9c8qzB NJwtMdIlVPXGe1diFLhmIKhtJO3uTAP5++SegQR5iJ1WdO0qQJDpBivk+P4k5m1k OnXpDU/MswcOV8bes2YB =Mnaf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ed at elplatt.com Tue Mar 10 20:41:11 2015 From: ed at elplatt.com (Edward L Platt) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:41:11 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Super-quick hackerspace software survey Message-ID: If you have a minute, please add your space and any software you use to this list: http://piratepad.net/12LxjeWpwF I'm working on improving interoperability and collaboration across projects, and knowing what people are using will really help! -Ed -- Edward L. Platt http://elplatt.com http://civic.mit.edu/users/elplatt http://i3detroit.com @elplatt This electronic mail message was sent from my desktop personal computer. Please forgive any long-winded, overly-prosaic ramblings. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bakmthiscl at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 15:36:31 2015 From: bakmthiscl at gmail.com (B F) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 10:36:31 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] And now for something completely different... In-Reply-To: References: <54EB60AE.9040908@gmail.com> <20150223192945.GA29043@panix.com> <20150223213651.GB13457@panix.com> Message-ID: Many many years ago, I joined a co-op garage. Great idea. But even there, the rules got abused. Rules must be clear and strictly enforced. I left the group when I was called to task for doing something that I was told was perfectly legit when I joined -- parking my car outside and borrowing a couple tools from their stock to do a very simple repair, one that did not require a bay. (I don't recall what job -- something like changing a spark plug back in the day when you didn't need to pull the engine to do that!) It seems that SOMEbody thought I should have pulled the car in and paid extra for use of the bay. That was NOT what I'd been told when I joined. Nonetheless, the idea of a co-op garage is excellent, but I would suggest it be a separate space from a general hackerspace. I think it would probably be best to make it a sister organization, with no legal connection to the hackerspace other than overlapping memberships, directors, etc. Designing and developing new cars or modifying old ones could well be considered hacking, but keeping your old clunker running is really a different thing. Yes, I know people repair computers and monitors in a hackerspace, but that's usually incidental to using those for hackerspace projects. Judging by the space use/mess problems reported here, these could be a real issue for a garage. A car is a rather big object to leave in the way. And the mess that can be made with a disassembled car would be hard to simulate with "normal" hackerspace projects. If I were starting a co-op garage, the rules I'd set would be very much like those of a commercial garage: Keys given to attendant so he can move the car; explicit understanding that cars left on the premises will be charged storage fees, and that cars left beyond X-many days may be hauled off at owner's expense. (There are lots of towing/impoundment facilities around here that delight in doing this -- legal or otherwise!) And unlike most hackerspaces there would have to be a mechanic on duty at least some of the time. Possibly this could be one or more volunteer members who have extensive knowledge of cars, but it might be well to pay someone to be there -- maybe minimum wage for being on site, with additional earning opportunities possible, up to and including full wage for his doing the job himself. This same mechanic could administer the rules, move the cars in and out of bays as necessary, and could be called upon to clean up a mess left behind by a user of the space -- with the co-op paying for this work and billing the negligent user. He might also deal with municipal inspectors, etc., handle disposal of oil and other wastes, and so forth. Just my 2c. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Bob Bownes wrote: > > As a firefighter, I'll second the notion of calling and asking questions. > It also doesn't hurt to let the fire marshal know if you have a firefighter > and/or EMTs on site, even occasionally. > > It works with the building code inspector and electricians as well. > > Bob > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Sam Ley wrote: > >> Never hurts to ask your local fire marshal. Some can be dicks, but my >> experience (working with 5 or 6 in different areas) is that most of them >> are reasonable people who just want everyone to be safe, and they very much >> appreciate it when people call with questions rather than wait for >> violation notices. We've gotten a lot of variances approved with our >> current fire marshal just by being proactive and working with him on >> creative solutions that might not meet the letter of the law, but achieve a >> safe working space. >> >> -Sam >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Arclight wrote: >> >>> Good point - Some jurisdictions appear to call this sort of thing out >>> explicitly while others don't if your area is zoned for it. >>> >>> >>> Arclight >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Ron Bean >>> wrote: >>> >>I think the fuel issues aren't as much an issue when your space has an >>> >>industrial roll-up door with parking lot on one side and concrete on >>> >>the other. >>> > >>> > It depends on the local laws. >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Discuss mailing list >>> > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >>> > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >>> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -- - BF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arclight at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 17:08:02 2015 From: arclight at gmail.com (Arclight) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:08:02 -0700 Subject: [hackerspaces] And now for something completely different... In-Reply-To: References: <54EB60AE.9040908@gmail.com> <20150223192945.GA29043@panix.com> <20150223213651.GB13457@panix.com> Message-ID: I actually believe that car maintenance and repair falls under the "waste not, want not" ethic and keeping your car running properly keeps it out of a shredder and its embodied energy being lost. That being said, I have also experienced non-running cars being a huge drain on resources at our place and tend to put pretty stiff restrictions on long car projects now. The previous suggestions of requiring a "removal deposit" to be posted if someone is going to leave a vehicle for an extended period of time is a good one. Depending on your local rules require it, you might also want to have a signed form authorizing you to remove it. On car forums, a common thing that comes up is that a Jeep or MG or whatever comes up on Craigslist for cheap, but the person who wants it lives far away. Usually, the more serious car people will arrange something with a forum member nearby so that they can buy it and have it towed over. To make it work, they offer a deposit and sometimes even the title so that there is no incentive for them to flake out and leave it there. Putting the risk on the new owner rather than the storage person who is doing a favor seems to work out well for the hardcore car hobbyists. Arclight On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:36 AM, B F wrote: > Many many years ago, I joined a co-op garage. Great idea. But even there, > the rules got abused. Rules must be clear and strictly enforced. > > I left the group when I was called to task for doing something that I was > told was perfectly legit when I joined -- parking my car outside and > borrowing a couple tools from their stock to do a very simple repair, one > that did not require a bay. (I don't recall what job -- something like > changing a spark plug back in the day when you didn't need to pull the > engine to do that!) It seems that SOMEbody thought I should have pulled the > car in and paid extra for use of the bay. That was NOT what I'd been told > when I joined. > > Nonetheless, the idea of a co-op garage is excellent, but I would suggest it > be a separate space from a general hackerspace. I think it would probably > be best to make it a sister organization, with no legal connection to the > hackerspace other than overlapping memberships, directors, etc. Designing > and developing new cars or modifying old ones could well be considered > hacking, but keeping your old clunker running is really a different thing. > Yes, I know people repair computers and monitors in a hackerspace, but > that's usually incidental to using those for hackerspace projects. > > Judging by the space use/mess problems reported here, these could be a real > issue for a garage. A car is a rather big object to leave in the way. And > the mess that can be made with a disassembled car would be hard to simulate > with "normal" hackerspace projects. > > If I were starting a co-op garage, the rules I'd set would be very much like > those of a commercial garage: Keys given to attendant so he can move the > car; explicit understanding that cars left on the premises will be charged > storage fees, and that cars left beyond X-many days may be hauled off at > owner's expense. (There are lots of towing/impoundment facilities around > here that delight in doing this -- legal or otherwise!) > > And unlike most hackerspaces there would have to be a mechanic on duty at > least some of the time. Possibly this could be one or more volunteer > members who have extensive knowledge of cars, but it might be well to pay > someone to be there -- maybe minimum wage for being on site, with additional > earning opportunities possible, up to and including full wage for his doing > the job himself. This same mechanic could administer the rules, move the > cars in and out of bays as necessary, and could be called upon to clean up a > mess left behind by a user of the space -- with the co-op paying for this > work and billing the negligent user. He might also deal with municipal > inspectors, etc., handle disposal of oil and other wastes, and so forth. > > Just my 2c. > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Bob Bownes wrote: >> >> >> As a firefighter, I'll second the notion of calling and asking questions. >> It also doesn't hurt to let the fire marshal know if you have a firefighter >> and/or EMTs on site, even occasionally. >> >> It works with the building code inspector and electricians as well. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Sam Ley wrote: >>> >>> Never hurts to ask your local fire marshal. Some can be dicks, but my >>> experience (working with 5 or 6 in different areas) is that most of them are >>> reasonable people who just want everyone to be safe, and they very much >>> appreciate it when people call with questions rather than wait for violation >>> notices. We've gotten a lot of variances approved with our current fire >>> marshal just by being proactive and working with him on creative solutions >>> that might not meet the letter of the law, but achieve a safe working space. >>> >>> -Sam >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Arclight wrote: >>>> >>>> Good point - Some jurisdictions appear to call this sort of thing out >>>> explicitly while others don't if your area is zoned for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> Arclight >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Ron Bean >>>> wrote: >>>> >>I think the fuel issues aren't as much an issue when your space has an >>>> >>industrial roll-up door with parking lot on one side and concrete on >>>> >>the other. >>>> > >>>> > It depends on the local laws. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Discuss mailing list >>>> > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >>>> > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >>>> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >>> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > > -- > - BF > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From hellekin at dyne.org Wed Mar 11 17:33:28 2015 From: hellekin at dyne.org (hellekin) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:33:28 -0300 Subject: [hackerspaces] Publicizing Hackerspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55006E58.1060307@dyne.org> On 02/28/15 18:15, Brendan M. wrote: > What are the best ways to get the info out there > *** Hey Brendan, congratulations on starting your project. I don't think there are "best ways" but among the hackerspace design patterns [0], the regularity patterns are very important. If you keep meeting regularly, you will end up producing something interesting, and that is an interesting way to promote your activity: here, we've been doing this. If you have computers at your school, you could put your propaganda there, in one way or another. (You probably want to do that in accordance with the school's staff though ;o) Cheers, == hk [0]: https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Design_Patterns -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ From opit at technariumas.lt Fri Mar 13 15:39:00 2015 From: opit at technariumas.lt (opit) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:39:00 +0000 Subject: [hackerspaces] Arduino Day Activities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5502F684.5020704@technariumas.lt> At Technarium, we're having a Hack and Tell event, an open day and probably a barbecue as well (http://blog.technariumas.lt/post/113512879551/hack-and-tell-9 ). If anyone's in Vilnius, Lithuania, you're welcome. #o Dominic Canare: > What activities are *spaces planning for Arduino Day > (March 28) this year? > > Last year at MakeICT, we did a potluck+show and tell, and we built a > giant, working Arduino model. It'd be cool to do something different this > year, and maybe a little more exciting than a workshop. > > Interested to hear what ideas others have! > > *Dominic Canare* > President, MakeICT > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- http://technariumas.lt http://blog.technariumas.lt http://wemakethings.net From shirley at velochicdesign.com Wed Mar 18 20:23:54 2015 From: shirley at velochicdesign.com (Shirley Hicks) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 14:23:54 -0500 Subject: [hackerspaces] Circuits lab organization and parts retention for noobs Message-ID: <918F24F6-1E05-4770-A486-5A1C0A75314B@velochicdesign.com> Good afternoon everyone, The Red Mountain Makers in Birmingham is in the process of organizing and binning parts from donated defunct equipment. Do any of you have notes, write-ups or links regarding how to decide what to recycle and what to keep? Any recommendations regarding how much to keep on hand? The person who is organizing the work (me) is a relative noob to lab organization, and those who are parting the stuff out have packrat tendencies. :) Our lab guru who is guiding us has given some general recommendations, but his experience is within a development workplace with far more resources than we currently have. By way of example, we have 2 paper box sized bins of SATA drive cables, and a similarly sized box of VGA cables. My main concern is managing the supply while we shuffle the space to accommodate renovations. It's all binned and on racks, but isn't clustered beyond like with like (first sort). I have electronics recyclers coming in two days. Thanks! Shirley Hicks RMM Secretary From ramgarden at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 20:40:43 2015 From: ramgarden at gmail.com (Joshua Pritt) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:40:43 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Circuits lab organization and parts retention for noobs In-Reply-To: <918F24F6-1E05-4770-A486-5A1C0A75314B@velochicdesign.com> References: <918F24F6-1E05-4770-A486-5A1C0A75314B@velochicdesign.com> Message-ID: All makerspaces tend to have the packrat tendencies on what to keep vs throw out / recycle. Depending on how much space you have for parts / hackables storage would be the main factor. If you have a lot of shelves you might use several banker boxes to keep the bigger things sorted like "hard drives", "5V wall power supplies", "junk cables", "Power cables", "USB cables", etc. Then for the smaller things like individual resistors and diodes it is very helpful to purchase or ask for a donated organizer like this one: http://goo.gl/J6uYIO I've never heard of any specific rules or ways to scientifically determine what to keep vs throw away / recycle since there's always that, "someone might be able to use this on a project" mentality that is very much in line with just plain pack-ratism. I hope this helps (you probably already knew all this)! On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Shirley Hicks wrote: > Good afternoon everyone, > > The Red Mountain Makers in Birmingham is in the process of organizing and > binning parts from donated defunct equipment. > > Do any of you have notes, write-ups or links regarding how to decide what > to recycle and what to keep? Any recommendations regarding how much to keep > on hand? The person who is organizing the work (me) is a relative noob to > lab organization, and those who are parting the stuff out have packrat > tendencies. :) Our lab guru who is guiding us has given some general > recommendations, but his experience is within a development workplace with > far more resources than we currently have. > > By way of example, we have 2 paper box sized bins of SATA drive cables, > and a similarly sized box of VGA cables. > > My main concern is managing the supply while we shuffle the space to > accommodate renovations. It's all binned and on racks, but isn't clustered > beyond like with like (first sort). I have electronics recyclers coming in > two days. > > Thanks! > > Shirley Hicks > RMM Secretary > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From outlawpoet at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 20:45:39 2015 From: outlawpoet at gmail.com (justin corwin) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 12:45:39 -0700 Subject: [hackerspaces] Circuits lab organization and parts retention for noobs In-Reply-To: References: <918F24F6-1E05-4770-A486-5A1C0A75314B@velochicdesign.com> Message-ID: One of the more successful policies at crashspace has been making 'dead piles' in the front room. We put marginal stuff on display, and give a countdown for when it's going away. People who have strong feelings about a particular bit can always save it, but usually they confine themselves to picking one or two things to put back, so we still manage to recycle/trash a fair amount, but nobody feels bad because they all had a shot to save thing they felt strongly about. On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Joshua Pritt wrote: > All makerspaces tend to have the packrat tendencies on what to keep vs > throw out / recycle. Depending on how much space you have for parts / > hackables storage would be the main factor. If you have a lot of shelves > you might use several banker boxes to keep the bigger things sorted like > "hard drives", "5V wall power supplies", "junk cables", "Power cables", > "USB cables", etc. Then for the smaller things like individual resistors > and diodes it is very helpful to purchase or ask for a donated organizer > like this one: > http://goo.gl/J6uYIO > > I've never heard of any specific rules or ways to scientifically determine > what to keep vs throw away / recycle since there's always that, "someone > might be able to use this on a project" mentality that is very much in line > with just plain pack-ratism. > > I hope this helps (you probably already knew all this)! > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Shirley Hicks > wrote: > >> Good afternoon everyone, >> >> The Red Mountain Makers in Birmingham is in the process of organizing and >> binning parts from donated defunct equipment. >> >> Do any of you have notes, write-ups or links regarding how to decide what >> to recycle and what to keep? Any recommendations regarding how much to keep >> on hand? The person who is organizing the work (me) is a relative noob to >> lab organization, and those who are parting the stuff out have packrat >> tendencies. :) Our lab guru who is guiding us has given some general >> recommendations, but his experience is within a development workplace with >> far more resources than we currently have. >> >> By way of example, we have 2 paper box sized bins of SATA drive cables, >> and a similarly sized box of VGA cables. >> >> My main concern is managing the supply while we shuffle the space to >> accommodate renovations. It's all binned and on racks, but isn't clustered >> beyond like with like (first sort). I have electronics recyclers coming in >> two days. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Shirley Hicks >> RMM Secretary >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -- Justin Corwin outlawpoet at gmail.com http://programmaticconquest.tumblr.com http://outlawpoet.tumblr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shirley at velochicdesign.com Wed Mar 18 21:15:31 2015 From: shirley at velochicdesign.com (Shirley Hicks) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:15:31 -0500 Subject: [hackerspaces] Circuits lab organization and parts retention for noobs In-Reply-To: References: <918F24F6-1E05-4770-A486-5A1C0A75314B@velochicdesign.com> Message-ID: <819B7F61-7130-4813-BA31-4722B35B6533@velochicdesign.com> I appreciate your input. One of our challenges right now is that we need to move things around the space to accommodate buildout of new labs and one fairly major renovation (structural). We're on a bit of a timeline to get the space licked into shape to accommodate a possible summer camp in May. -- Shirley On Mar 18, 2015, at 2:45 PM, justin corwin wrote: > One of the more successful policies at crashspace has been making 'dead piles' in the front room. We put marginal stuff on display, and give a countdown for when it's going away. People who have strong feelings about a particular bit can always save it, but usually they confine themselves to picking one or two things to put back, so we still manage to recycle/trash a fair amount, but nobody feels bad because they all had a shot to save thing they felt strongly about. > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Joshua Pritt wrote: > All makerspaces tend to have the packrat tendencies on what to keep vs throw out / recycle. Depending on how much space you have for parts / hackables storage would be the main factor. If you have a lot of shelves you might use several banker boxes to keep the bigger things sorted like "hard drives", "5V wall power supplies", "junk cables", "Power cables", "USB cables", etc. Then for the smaller things like individual resistors and diodes it is very helpful to purchase or ask for a donated organizer like this one: > http://goo.gl/J6uYIO > > I've never heard of any specific rules or ways to scientifically determine what to keep vs throw away / recycle since there's always that, "someone might be able to use this on a project" mentality that is very much in line with just plain pack-ratism. > > I hope this helps (you probably already knew all this)! > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Shirley Hicks wrote: > Good afternoon everyone, > > The Red Mountain Makers in Birmingham is in the process of organizing and binning parts from donated defunct equipment. > > Do any of you have notes, write-ups or links regarding how to decide what to recycle and what to keep? Any recommendations regarding how much to keep on hand? The person who is organizing the work (me) is a relative noob to lab organization, and those who are parting the stuff out have packrat tendencies. :) Our lab guru who is guiding us has given some general recommendations, but his experience is within a development workplace with far more resources than we currently have. > > By way of example, we have 2 paper box sized bins of SATA drive cables, and a similarly sized box of VGA cables. > > My main concern is managing the supply while we shuffle the space to accommodate renovations. It's all binned and on racks, but isn't clustered beyond like with like (first sort). 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URL: From dosman at packetsniffers.org Wed Mar 18 21:23:44 2015 From: dosman at packetsniffers.org (dosman) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:23:44 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Circuits lab organization and parts retention for noobs In-Reply-To: References: <918F24F6-1E05-4770-A486-5A1C0A75314B@velochicdesign.com> Message-ID: God help you ;-). The ?dead pile? with a count-down date to disposal has been working for us too for exactly the same reasons. When sorting it works well when two people on opposite ends of the hoarding spectrum work together. You need someone who can tell what will actually get reused and another person who is fearless in throwing stuff out. Assuming these two folks don?t end up in a fist-fight by the end you should have a successful sorting session ;-). > On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:45 PM, justin corwin wrote: > > One of the more successful policies at crashspace has been making 'dead piles' in the front room. We put marginal stuff on display, and give a countdown for when it's going away. People who have strong feelings about a particular bit can always save it, but usually they confine themselves to picking one or two things to put back, so we still manage to recycle/trash a fair amount, but nobody feels bad because they all had a shot to save thing they felt strongly about. > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Joshua Pritt > wrote: > All makerspaces tend to have the packrat tendencies on what to keep vs throw out / recycle. Depending on how much space you have for parts / hackables storage would be the main factor. If you have a lot of shelves you might use several banker boxes to keep the bigger things sorted like "hard drives", "5V wall power supplies", "junk cables", "Power cables", "USB cables", etc. Then for the smaller things like individual resistors and diodes it is very helpful to purchase or ask for a donated organizer like this one: > http://goo.gl/J6uYIO > > I've never heard of any specific rules or ways to scientifically determine what to keep vs throw away / recycle since there's always that, "someone might be able to use this on a project" mentality that is very much in line with just plain pack-ratism. > > I hope this helps (you probably already knew all this)! > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Shirley Hicks > wrote: > Good afternoon everyone, > > The Red Mountain Makers in Birmingham is in the process of organizing and binning parts from donated defunct equipment. > > Do any of you have notes, write-ups or links regarding how to decide what to recycle and what to keep? Any recommendations regarding how much to keep on hand? The person who is organizing the work (me) is a relative noob to lab organization, and those who are parting the stuff out have packrat tendencies. :) Our lab guru who is guiding us has given some general recommendations, but his experience is within a development workplace with far more resources than we currently have. > > By way of example, we have 2 paper box sized bins of SATA drive cables, and a similarly sized box of VGA cables. > > My main concern is managing the supply while we shuffle the space to accommodate renovations. It's all binned and on racks, but isn't clustered beyond like with like (first sort). 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URL: From bownes at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 21:30:29 2015 From: bownes at gmail.com (bownes) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:30:29 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Circuits lab organization and parts retention for noobs In-Reply-To: References: <918F24F6-1E05-4770-A486-5A1C0A75314B@velochicdesign.com> Message-ID: <4FE80298-6997-4162-A66B-317C98CBC455@googlemail.com> At the center of gravity, we have just recently introduced a very similar policy for everything in our stockroom. We have a stock room czar and czarina Who have gone through the stockroom and organized everything into small plastic bins available from the office supply store, and larger Ben's also available from a similar location. We have a bin for cable that is going to be recycled and the like each of which gets put in the entryway with a sign. Pictures are also circulated amongst the membership letting people know what is available so they may come down and rescue it if they desire. Generally there is a week or so to save something or it goes to recycling. We only had this in place for a couple of weeks and already the stockroom is looking significantly better on a regular basis. In the past and it had been very difficult to keep the stock room clean and organized because it was overflowing with too much junk. They also set aside things in a eBay pile, and allow members to take things out of this before they get sold off and the money placed into general revenue. We have had a number of rather large donations recently (where large is defined as a box truck or bigger). This policy is going to be very instrumental in winnowing the wheat from the chaff. It would be interesting to also make this stuff available to other maker spaces in some fashion. Probably little of it is worth shipping, but we are a community of communities seemingly attuned to sharing and doing things for the greater good. Bob > On Mar 18, 2015, at 15:45, justin corwin wrote: > > One of the more successful policies at crashspace has been making 'dead piles' in the front room. We put marginal stuff on display, and give a countdown for when it's going away. People who have strong feelings about a particular bit can always save it, but usually they confine themselves to picking one or two things to put back, so we still manage to recycle/trash a fair amount, but nobody feels bad because they all had a shot to save thing they felt strongly about. > >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Joshua Pritt wrote: >> All makerspaces tend to have the packrat tendencies on what to keep vs throw out / recycle. Depending on how much space you have for parts / hackables storage would be the main factor. If you have a lot of shelves you might use several banker boxes to keep the bigger things sorted like "hard drives", "5V wall power supplies", "junk cables", "Power cables", "USB cables", etc. Then for the smaller things like individual resistors and diodes it is very helpful to purchase or ask for a donated organizer like this one: >> http://goo.gl/J6uYIO >> >> I've never heard of any specific rules or ways to scientifically determine what to keep vs throw away / recycle since there's always that, "someone might be able to use this on a project" mentality that is very much in line with just plain pack-ratism. >> >> I hope this helps (you probably already knew all this)! >> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Shirley Hicks wrote: >>> Good afternoon everyone, >>> >>> The Red Mountain Makers in Birmingham is in the process of organizing and binning parts from donated defunct equipment. >>> >>> Do any of you have notes, write-ups or links regarding how to decide what to recycle and what to keep? Any recommendations regarding how much to keep on hand? The person who is organizing the work (me) is a relative noob to lab organization, and those who are parting the stuff out have packrat tendencies. :) Our lab guru who is guiding us has given some general recommendations, but his experience is within a development workplace with far more resources than we currently have. >>> >>> By way of example, we have 2 paper box sized bins of SATA drive cables, and a similarly sized box of VGA cables. >>> >>> My main concern is managing the supply while we shuffle the space to accommodate renovations. It's all binned and on racks, but isn't clustered beyond like with like (first sort). I have electronics recyclers coming in two days. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Shirley Hicks >>> RMM Secretary >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >>> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > -- > Justin Corwin > outlawpoet at gmail.com > http://programmaticconquest.tumblr.com > http://outlawpoet.tumblr.com > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramgarden at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 21:39:22 2015 From: ramgarden at gmail.com (Joshua Pritt) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:39:22 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Circuits lab organization and parts retention for noobs In-Reply-To: <4FE80298-6997-4162-A66B-317C98CBC455@googlemail.com> References: <918F24F6-1E05-4770-A486-5A1C0A75314B@velochicdesign.com> <4FE80298-6997-4162-A66B-317C98CBC455@googlemail.com> Message-ID: I've also thought of trying to build out some sort of "global hackable storage" where all the world's hackerspaces can send parts to each other or team up to work on the same project so that one space builds one part using the parts they have on hand with another space building a different part with the stuff they have. But I think the shipping for small parts would have to be for rare things to make it worth the time and money. We'd also have to put our hackable inventory online and I'm pretty sure no one has time for that, much less just getting it all sorted! On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:30 PM, bownes wrote: > At the center of gravity, we have just recently introduced a very similar > policy for everything in our stockroom. We have a stock room czar and > czarina Who have gone through the stockroom and organized everything into > small plastic bins available from the office supply store, and larger Ben's > also available from a similar location. We have a bin for cable that is > going to be recycled and the like each of which gets put in the entryway > with a sign. Pictures are also circulated amongst the membership letting > people know what is available so they may come down and rescue it if they > desire. Generally there is a week or so to save something or it goes to > recycling. > > We only had this in place for a couple of weeks and already the stockroom > is looking significantly better on a regular basis. In the past and it had > been very difficult to keep the stock room clean and organized because it > was overflowing with too much junk. > > They also set aside things in a eBay pile, and allow members to take > things out of this before they get sold off and the money placed into > general revenue. > > We have had a number of rather large donations recently (where large is > defined as a box truck or bigger). This policy is going to be very > instrumental in winnowing the wheat from the chaff. > > It would be interesting to also make this stuff available to other maker > spaces in some fashion. Probably little of it is worth shipping, but we are > a community of communities seemingly attuned to sharing and doing things > for the greater good. > > Bob > > > > On Mar 18, 2015, at 15:45, justin corwin wrote: > > One of the more successful policies at crashspace has been making 'dead > piles' in the front room. We put marginal stuff on display, and give a > countdown for when it's going away. People who have strong feelings about a > particular bit can always save it, but usually they confine themselves to > picking one or two things to put back, so we still manage to recycle/trash > a fair amount, but nobody feels bad because they all had a shot to save > thing they felt strongly about. > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Joshua Pritt > wrote: > >> All makerspaces tend to have the packrat tendencies on what to keep vs >> throw out / recycle. Depending on how much space you have for parts / >> hackables storage would be the main factor. If you have a lot of shelves >> you might use several banker boxes to keep the bigger things sorted like >> "hard drives", "5V wall power supplies", "junk cables", "Power cables", >> "USB cables", etc. Then for the smaller things like individual resistors >> and diodes it is very helpful to purchase or ask for a donated organizer >> like this one: >> http://goo.gl/J6uYIO >> >> I've never heard of any specific rules or ways to scientifically >> determine what to keep vs throw away / recycle since there's always that, >> "someone might be able to use this on a project" mentality that is very >> much in line with just plain pack-ratism. >> >> I hope this helps (you probably already knew all this)! >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Shirley Hicks < >> shirley at velochicdesign.com> wrote: >> >>> Good afternoon everyone, >>> >>> The Red Mountain Makers in Birmingham is in the process of organizing >>> and binning parts from donated defunct equipment. >>> >>> Do any of you have notes, write-ups or links regarding how to decide >>> what to recycle and what to keep? Any recommendations regarding how much to >>> keep on hand? The person who is organizing the work (me) is a relative noob >>> to lab organization, and those who are parting the stuff out have packrat >>> tendencies. :) Our lab guru who is guiding us has given some general >>> recommendations, but his experience is within a development workplace with >>> far more resources than we currently have. >>> >>> By way of example, we have 2 paper box sized bins of SATA drive cables, >>> and a similarly sized box of VGA cables. >>> >>> My main concern is managing the supply while we shuffle the space to >>> accommodate renovations. It's all binned and on racks, but isn't clustered >>> beyond like with like (first sort). I have electronics recyclers coming in >>> two days. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Shirley Hicks >>> RMM Secretary >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >>> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > > -- > Justin Corwin > outlawpoet at gmail.com > http://programmaticconquest.tumblr.com > http://outlawpoet.tumblr.com > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shirley at velochicdesign.com Wed Mar 18 23:12:42 2015 From: shirley at velochicdesign.com (Shirley Hicks) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 17:12:42 -0500 Subject: [hackerspaces] Circuits lab organization and parts retention for noobs In-Reply-To: References: <918F24F6-1E05-4770-A486-5A1C0A75314B@velochicdesign.com> <4FE80298-6997-4162-A66B-317C98CBC455@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <3E66BEDE-F01A-43CF-9AC0-6B0DCB724FB7@velochicdesign.com> I appreciate the sentiment, Josh - and the quite sensible suggestions from everyone else. My own inclination is to simply adopt the existing exchange solution -- eBay, craigslist and the existing marketplaces. The marketplace has a pretty efficient (and effective) sort process underway. My own thinking is that setting up a working partnership with one of our local electronics recycling shop will be key, in that our packratish members can be reassured that there is "always more supply". -- Shirley On Mar 18, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Joshua Pritt wrote: > I've also thought of trying to build out some sort of "global hackable storage" where all the world's hackerspaces can send parts to each other or team up to work on the same project so that one space builds one part using the parts they have on hand with another space building a different part with the stuff they have. > But I think the shipping for small parts would have to be for rare things to make it worth the time and money. > We'd also have to put our hackable inventory online and I'm pretty sure no one has time for that, much less just getting it all sorted! > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:30 PM, bownes wrote: > At the center of gravity, we have just recently introduced a very similar policy for everything in our stockroom. We have a stock room czar and czarina Who have gone through the stockroom and organized everything into small plastic bins available from the office supply store, and larger Ben's also available from a similar location. We have a bin for cable that is going to be recycled and the like each of which gets put in the entryway with a sign. Pictures are also circulated amongst the membership letting people know what is available so they may come down and rescue it if they desire. Generally there is a week or so to save something or it goes to recycling. > > We only had this in place for a couple of weeks and already the stockroom is looking significantly better on a regular basis. In the past and it had been very difficult to keep the stock room clean and organized because it was overflowing with too much junk. > > They also set aside things in a eBay pile, and allow members to take things out of this before they get sold off and the money placed into general revenue. > > We have had a number of rather large donations recently (where large is defined as a box truck or bigger). This policy is going to be very instrumental in winnowing the wheat from the chaff. > > It would be interesting to also make this stuff available to other maker spaces in some fashion. Probably little of it is worth shipping, but we are a community of communities seemingly attuned to sharing and doing things for the greater good. > > Bob > > > > On Mar 18, 2015, at 15:45, justin corwin wrote: > >> One of the more successful policies at crashspace has been making 'dead piles' in the front room. We put marginal stuff on display, and give a countdown for when it's going away. People who have strong feelings about a particular bit can always save it, but usually they confine themselves to picking one or two things to put back, so we still manage to recycle/trash a fair amount, but nobody feels bad because they all had a shot to save thing they felt strongly about. >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Joshua Pritt wrote: >> All makerspaces tend to have the packrat tendencies on what to keep vs throw out / recycle. Depending on how much space you have for parts / hackables storage would be the main factor. If you have a lot of shelves you might use several banker boxes to keep the bigger things sorted like "hard drives", "5V wall power supplies", "junk cables", "Power cables", "USB cables", etc. Then for the smaller things like individual resistors and diodes it is very helpful to purchase or ask for a donated organizer like this one: >> http://goo.gl/J6uYIO >> >> I've never heard of any specific rules or ways to scientifically determine what to keep vs throw away / recycle since there's always that, "someone might be able to use this on a project" mentality that is very much in line with just plain pack-ratism. >> >> I hope this helps (you probably already knew all this)! >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Shirley Hicks wrote: >> Good afternoon everyone, >> >> The Red Mountain Makers in Birmingham is in the process of organizing and binning parts from donated defunct equipment. >> >> Do any of you have notes, write-ups or links regarding how to decide what to recycle and what to keep? Any recommendations regarding how much to keep on hand? The person who is organizing the work (me) is a relative noob to lab organization, and those who are parting the stuff out have packrat tendencies. :) Our lab guru who is guiding us has given some general recommendations, but his experience is within a development workplace with far more resources than we currently have. >> >> By way of example, we have 2 paper box sized bins of SATA drive cables, and a similarly sized box of VGA cables. >> >> My main concern is managing the supply while we shuffle the space to accommodate renovations. It's all binned and on racks, but isn't clustered beyond like with like (first sort). I have electronics recyclers coming in two days. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Shirley Hicks >> RMM Secretary >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Justin Corwin >> outlawpoet at gmail.com >> http://programmaticconquest.tumblr.com >> http://outlawpoet.tumblr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From matt at nycresistor.com Thu Mar 26 21:38:34 2015 From: matt at nycresistor.com (matt) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 16:38:34 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Project storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: we tried to create a project shelf for temporary active projects, but it's hard to police. some members rent storage in the basement of our building.... but that gets abused by others occasionally. it's a tough issue for us as well. we want to do cool stuff, and we like having parts around to use.. but it gets cluttered. stuff gets moved around and never really finds a home. and cleaning is haphazard and not often enough... when people do try to clean they don't know what can and cannot be thrown out? we did create an idea of a doom cart.... things go onto the cart when they are possible trash. and they stay there for a week or two... someone takes photos of all the things and posts to the list saying that these items are on the doom cart. If they are still on that cart in a week or two... they are tossed / sold / otherwise rendered beyond the walls of the hackerspace. -matt On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Dave wrote: > We have recently moved to a smaller space and while we don't officially > open until April 1st, we are already running into problems with uncompleted > projects and supplies being left in the space. How do other spaces deal > with this issue? > > Thanks, > David from Making Awesome/ > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How do other spaces deal > with this issue? > > Thanks, > David from Making Awesome/ > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baconzombie at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 21:42:56 2015 From: baconzombie at gmail.com (Bacon Zombie) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 21:42:56 +0100 Subject: [hackerspaces] Project storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have a look at how London HackSpace deal with it. https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Guides/Bringing_items_to_the_space On 26 Mar 2015 21:39, "Joshua Pritt" wrote: > We also have a very small space but use a simple wire shelving and banker > boxes from Staples as member storage. We now have almost twice the number > of members since then so we are about to add another set of shelves and > boxes for the new members. > > http://melbournemakerspace.org/2014/06/space-enhancements/ > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Dave wrote: > >> We have recently moved to a smaller space and while we don't officially >> open until April 1st, we are already running into problems with uncompleted >> projects and supplies being left in the space. How do other spaces deal >> with this issue? >> >> Thanks, >> David from Making Awesome/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert at dallasmakerspace.org Thu Mar 26 22:13:15 2015 From: robert at dallasmakerspace.org (Robert Davidson) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 16:13:15 -0500 Subject: [hackerspaces] Project storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is our general policy's @ Dallas Makerspace. We take a pretty strict stance on storage. The general idea is that people that are leaving/storing items are not being excellent to others who want to work on something but can't because someone who is MIA is storing stuff without working on it. I think in the end it comes down to 3 things 1. The Social Environment. 2. Clear and Documented Policies (Signage is Key) 3. Enforcement (It says you are going to trash it do you?) Storage 1. The Dallas Makerspace is not a storage facility, projects and materials that do not follow these rules, will be considered donations. 2. Projects (and materials for them) can only be stored in designated Project Storage Areas. 3. Projects (and materials for them) stored in the Project Storage Areas must follow the rules and policies created by the Operations and Facilities Committee which may be changed at any time. 4. Projects can be stored in committee controlled rooms, as long as they follow the committee's guidelines. 5. A project may be stored elsewhere with the approval of a member of the Board or by a vote of the membership. 6. Individual storage areas will be available for each member: - Each storage area is approximately 10"x16"x24"[8] - The individual storage area is located in the workshop. 7. Firearms, gunpowder, primers, and assembled ammunition cannot be stored at the Makerspace. https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Storage#Storage Personal Storage Box. http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20206316/ This is the Policy on the "Project Storage Areas" " 1. Find an open section with a section identifier (e.g A-10). (This is Pallet Rack Storage) 2. Completely fill out the sign-in sheet. (Contact Info with Date of Completion) 3. Use of the storage shelves is limited to 30 days maximum. 4. Items stored on the floor must be authorized by Operations. Items that do not follow these rules will be considered donations. *YOU WILL NOT BE NOTIFIED* *"* On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Bacon Zombie wrote: > Have a look at how London HackSpace deal with it. > > > https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Guides/Bringing_items_to_the_space > On 26 Mar 2015 21:39, "Joshua Pritt" wrote: > >> We also have a very small space but use a simple wire shelving and banker >> boxes from Staples as member storage. We now have almost twice the number >> of members since then so we are about to add another set of shelves and >> boxes for the new members. >> >> http://melbournemakerspace.org/2014/06/space-enhancements/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Dave wrote: >> >>> We have recently moved to a smaller space and while we don't officially >>> open until April 1st, we are already running into problems with uncompleted >>> projects and supplies being left in the space. How do other spaces deal >>> with this issue? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> David from Making Awesome/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >>> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arthur at arthurguy.co.uk Fri Mar 27 11:38:11 2015 From: arthur at arthurguy.co.uk (Arthur Guy) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:38:11 +0000 Subject: [hackerspaces] Project storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At Brighton we have 19L boxes available for all members and outside of this we try and enforce project labels for anything left out and then things can only be left out for a short period of time. It doesn't always work and as you'd expect there are members who want to keep everything incase its useful. I have recently implemented the 3 week disposal system London uses which should help things a bit. Arthur On 26 March 2015 at 20:34, Dave wrote: > We have recently moved to a smaller space and while we don't officially > open until April 1st, we are already running into problems with uncompleted > projects and supplies being left in the space. How do other spaces deal > with this issue? > > Thanks, > David from Making Awesome/ > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.benedetto at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 18:25:36 2015 From: john.benedetto at gmail.com (John Benedetto) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 11:25:36 -0600 Subject: [hackerspaces] Project storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Two parts here at Quelab - first is that members "should" store their stuff in a tote on the shelves designated for that. Often that won't work, depending on what it is - many projects won't fit into such a tote, and some supplies won't either - 2X4's, plywood, or sheets of acrylic for the laser cutter, etc. We could use some more shelves, and (of course) better enforcement. The second part is implementing parking tags & tickets, based on Twin Cities - http://www.tcmaker.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tags_and_Tickets (which is inspired by work at i3 in Detroit). Even that suffers from bad enforcement, mainly policing the existing permits & reminding members their stuff shouldn't sit around without progress. Honestly, I am a terrible offender at that, though I rationalize it because many of my projects are not personal projects & meant for the space (my giant jenga set, still in the middle of sanding, sanding, sanding) or infrastructure projects (like rehabbing a tool for the shop). We had discussed a policy similar to London's three weeks & it's out initially for stuff left in the main room, but then it drifted into dealing with the donation dropzone and how stuff piles up in there if no one polices it. Our treasurer recently mentioned it again, as he visited London last year, and came back full of enthusiasm while I was full of jealousy at his being able to go over for such visit. :-) Thanks for posting the links to Dallas & London's policies JT in sunny Albuqueque On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Dave wrote: > We have recently moved to a smaller space and while we don't officially > open until April 1st, we are already running into problems with uncompleted > projects and supplies being left in the space. How do other spaces deal > with this issue? > > Thanks, > David from Making Awesome/ > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's a legitimate question. I actually maintain a kegerator for homebrew at NYC Resistor. The thing is, I kind of trust everyone at resistor not to do something truly unsafe. That being said, I don't really want random folks coming in off the street to just empty the thing, unless it's a planned event or something. ( in which case check IDs at the door ) I think the risk profile for a space differs from space to space. And in general you don't want the hackerspace to be a place for goofing off more than it is a place for getting hacking done. Finding that balance is a deeply personal question for any community. That being said, all work and no goofing off, does not make for much bonding between members. -matt On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Dave wrote: > We're currently looking at alcohol use in the space. There are some > members who think it's a really bad idea (drunks and power tools) while > others think it's a matter of personal responsibility. > > We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events for various > organizations as a way of increasing visibility and recruiting members. > Beer and wine are served at those events, but the breakers to the tools are > turned off. > > I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol use, and how that's > worked out? > > Cheers, > David > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh405okc at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 23:09:36 2015 From: dh405okc at gmail.com (Derek H) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 16:09:36 -0500 Subject: [hackerspaces] Alcohol policies? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Post signs starting that nobody is allowed to use any power tools after consuming alcohol, and get each and every member to sign a doc to that effect as well. Enforce some sort of "no drunkenness" rule. On the days that you host some sort of alcohol serving event, cut power to the tools. If you do those things, you're still liable as hell. But.. people want their beer, and sometimes a little social lubrication can be good for some folks. There isn't a good answer for this. On Mar 30, 2015 4:04 PM, "Dave" wrote: > We're currently looking at alcohol use in the space. There are some > members who think it's a really bad idea (drunks and power tools) while > others think it's a matter of personal responsibility. > > We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events for various > organizations as a way of increasing visibility and recruiting members. > Beer and wine are served at those events, but the breakers to the tools are > turned off. > > I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol use, and how that's > worked out? > > Cheers, > David > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at schoolofma.org Mon Mar 30 23:10:02 2015 From: info at schoolofma.org (Rachel Uwa) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 23:10:02 +0200 Subject: [hackerspaces] Alcohol policies? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi David, here in Berlin the fablab has drinks including beer for sale. but there are member fees and people pay to use equipment so there isn't generally a problem that anyone oversteps bounds or just hangs out and gets drunk without being there to work on something. also at C-Base here in Berlin, same thing i think. does your space have a code of conduct? that could be useful to write-up if not, so everyone knows the rules of things and can make responsible decisions. :) cheers,rachel On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Dave wrote: > We're currently looking at alcohol use in the space. There are some > members who think it's a really bad idea (drunks and power tools) while > others think it's a matter of personal responsibility. > > We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events for various > organizations as a way of increasing visibility and recruiting members. > Beer and wine are served at those events, but the breakers to the tools are > turned off. > > I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol use, and how that's > worked out? > > Cheers, > David > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -- /////////////////////////////////////// *Founder / School of Machines, Making & Make-Believe | * http://schoolofma.org/ /////////////////////////////////////// -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt at nycresistor.com Mon Mar 30 23:11:33 2015 From: matt at nycresistor.com (matt) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 17:11:33 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Alcohol policies? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I mean machine shop rules apply at all times in all places. No drugs, alcohol, etc. No long clothes / untied hair. No operating heavy equipment alone in the space. Use safety equipment and make sure someone has trained you to use something before you use it. -matt On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Derek H wrote: > Post signs starting that nobody is allowed to use any power tools after > consuming alcohol, and get each and every member to sign a doc to that > effect as well. Enforce some sort of "no drunkenness" rule. On the days > that you host some sort of alcohol serving event, cut power to the tools. > > If you do those things, you're still liable as hell. But.. people want > their beer, and sometimes a little social lubrication can be good for some > folks. > > There isn't a good answer for this. > On Mar 30, 2015 4:04 PM, "Dave" wrote: > >> We're currently looking at alcohol use in the space. There are some >> members who think it's a really bad idea (drunks and power tools) while >> others think it's a matter of personal responsibility. >> >> We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events for various >> organizations as a way of increasing visibility and recruiting members. >> Beer and wine are served at those events, but the breakers to the tools are >> turned off. >> >> I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol use, and how that's >> worked out? >> >> Cheers, >> David >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From info at schoolofma.org Mon Mar 30 23:22:36 2015 From: info at schoolofma.org (Rachel Uwa) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 23:22:36 +0200 Subject: [hackerspaces] Alcohol policies? In-Reply-To: <5519BD50.2070101@generik.ca> References: <5519BD50.2070101@generik.ca> Message-ID: hi all, i wasn't referring to health and safety but more code of conduct, pretty much a must have for any organisation these days imho! see ours here from the Berlin community: https://rubyberlin.github.io/code-of-conduct/ I signed up my own School of Machines, Making & Make-Believe as soon as I heard about its existence. Having all community members on the same page really makes a difference to the quality of our close communities here in Berlin. I'd encourage all spaces and groups to consider it:) cheers, Rachel On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Ben Brown wrote: > We tend to err on 'don't restrict unless it become a serious problem', in > this case we have alcohol at our space, and members BYOB. Sometimes there's > leftover booze from parties and other events. It hasn't caused a problem so > far. > > Our Health and Safety policy is common-sense and due-diligence based. We > provide safety gear, procedures and training for specific tools (like a > laser cutter or cnc router), but otherwise you're on your own. If you hurt > yourself using power tools after 10 beers, it's your own damn fault. > > Additionally, a member can be asked to leave, faces suspension or even > termination for irresponsible and dangerous behavior that goes against the > H&S policy. > > Ben > > > On 3/30/2015 5:04 PM, Dave wrote: > > We're currently looking at alcohol use in the space. There are some > members who think it's a really bad idea (drunks and power tools) while > others think it's a matter of personal responsibility. > > We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events for various > organizations as a way of increasing visibility and recruiting members. > Beer and wine are served at those events, but the breakers to the tools are > turned off. > > I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol use, and how > that's worked out? > > Cheers, > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing listDiscuss at lists.hackerspaces.orghttp://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -- /////////////////////////////////////// *Founder / School of Machines, Making & Make-Believe | * http://schoolofma.org/ /////////////////////////////////////// -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramgarden at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 23:31:04 2015 From: ramgarden at gmail.com (Joshua Pritt) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 17:31:04 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Alcohol policies? In-Reply-To: References: <5519BD50.2070101@generik.ca> Message-ID: We're still a new space but at Melbourne Makerspace, Florida we've made a rule not to leave beer behind in the fridge after you BYOB. Otherwise someone could get us for "supplying" the alcohol that got them hurt, etc. I agree that as long as people aren't drinking themselves into a big ol' douchecanoe and actin' a fool then it's OK to BYOB. Just remember to take home the leftovers. Having a code of conduct to follow is also very reasonable and should part of the "be excellent to each other" rule. Perhaps not drinking until you are as drunk as a bicycle would help you to follow rule #1 as well: "Do not be on fire." On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Rachel Uwa wrote: > hi all, > > i wasn't referring to health and safety but more code of conduct, pretty > much a must have for > any organisation these days imho! > > see ours here from the Berlin community: > https://rubyberlin.github.io/code-of-conduct/ > > I signed up my own School of Machines, Making & Make-Believe as soon as I > heard about its existence. > Having all community members on the same page really makes a difference to > the quality of our > close communities here in Berlin. I'd encourage all spaces and groups to > consider it:) > > cheers, > Rachel > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Ben Brown wrote: > >> We tend to err on 'don't restrict unless it become a serious problem', >> in this case we have alcohol at our space, and members BYOB. Sometimes >> there's leftover booze from parties and other events. It hasn't caused a >> problem so far. >> >> Our Health and Safety policy is common-sense and due-diligence based. We >> provide safety gear, procedures and training for specific tools (like a >> laser cutter or cnc router), but otherwise you're on your own. If you hurt >> yourself using power tools after 10 beers, it's your own damn fault. >> >> Additionally, a member can be asked to leave, faces suspension or even >> termination for irresponsible and dangerous behavior that goes against the >> H&S policy. >> >> Ben >> >> >> On 3/30/2015 5:04 PM, Dave wrote: >> >> We're currently looking at alcohol use in the space. There are some >> members who think it's a really bad idea (drunks and power tools) while >> others think it's a matter of personal responsibility. >> >> We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events for various >> organizations as a way of increasing visibility and recruiting members. >> Beer and wine are served at those events, but the breakers to the tools are >> turned off. >> >> I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol use, and how >> that's worked out? >> >> Cheers, >> David >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing listDiscuss at lists.hackerspaces.orghttp://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > > -- > /////////////////////////////////////// > > *Founder / School of Machines, Making & Make-Believe | * > http://schoolofma.org/ > > /////////////////////////////////////// > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are some > members who think it's a really bad idea (drunks and power tools) while > others think it's a matter of personal responsibility. > > We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events for various > organizations as a way of increasing visibility and recruiting members. > Beer and wine are served at those events, but the breakers to the tools are > turned off. > > I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol use, and how that's > worked out? our issue with drunkenness hasn't been about safety but drunks themselves. our best policy about this has been not to welcome drunk people anymore and only bring beer when everyone's ok with social drinking, usually after the sun goes down. -- http://wiki.hackcoop.com.ar -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You are responsible for your own safety, and not creating a dangerous situation for others. If your use of alcohol or marijuana causes one of those situations, then you may be asked to stop. So far our members have shown good general responsibility, and only once or twice has someone had to suggest "maybe try some nice painting instead of using the chop saw today..." -Sam On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Joshua Pritt wrote: > We're still a new space but at Melbourne Makerspace, Florida we've made a > rule not to leave beer behind in the fridge after you BYOB. Otherwise > someone could get us for "supplying" the alcohol that got them hurt, etc. > I agree that as long as people aren't drinking themselves into a big ol' > douchecanoe and actin' a fool then it's OK to BYOB. Just remember to take > home the leftovers. > Having a code of conduct to follow is also very reasonable and should part > of the "be excellent to each other" rule. > Perhaps not drinking until you are as drunk as a bicycle would help you to > follow rule #1 as well: "Do not be on fire." > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Rachel Uwa wrote: > >> hi all, >> >> i wasn't referring to health and safety but more code of conduct, pretty >> much a must have for >> any organisation these days imho! >> >> see ours here from the Berlin community: >> https://rubyberlin.github.io/code-of-conduct/ >> >> I signed up my own School of Machines, Making & Make-Believe as soon as I >> heard about its existence. >> Having all community members on the same page really makes a difference >> to the quality of our >> close communities here in Berlin. I'd encourage all spaces and groups to >> consider it:) >> >> cheers, >> Rachel >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Ben Brown wrote: >> >>> We tend to err on 'don't restrict unless it become a serious problem', >>> in this case we have alcohol at our space, and members BYOB. Sometimes >>> there's leftover booze from parties and other events. It hasn't caused a >>> problem so far. >>> >>> Our Health and Safety policy is common-sense and due-diligence based. We >>> provide safety gear, procedures and training for specific tools (like a >>> laser cutter or cnc router), but otherwise you're on your own. If you hurt >>> yourself using power tools after 10 beers, it's your own damn fault. >>> >>> Additionally, a member can be asked to leave, faces suspension or even >>> termination for irresponsible and dangerous behavior that goes against the >>> H&S policy. >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> >>> On 3/30/2015 5:04 PM, Dave wrote: >>> >>> We're currently looking at alcohol use in the space. There are some >>> members who think it's a really bad idea (drunks and power tools) while >>> others think it's a matter of personal responsibility. >>> >>> We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events for various >>> organizations as a way of increasing visibility and recruiting members. >>> Beer and wine are served at those events, but the breakers to the tools are >>> turned off. >>> >>> I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol use, and how >>> that's worked out? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing listDiscuss at lists.hackerspaces.orghttp://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >>> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> /////////////////////////////////////// >> >> *Founder / School of Machines, Making & Make-Believe | * >> http://schoolofma.org/ >> >> /////////////////////////////////////// >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ben at generik.ca Mon Mar 30 23:36:56 2015 From: ben at generik.ca (Ben Brown) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 17:36:56 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Alcohol policies? In-Reply-To: References: <5519BD50.2070101@generik.ca> Message-ID: <5519C1F8.8040902@generik.ca> Sorry, I just saw 'drunks & power tools' in OP's message and relayed how we deal with that particular scenario, which for now is rooted in our H&S policy. However, we're actively developing a CoC at the moment (better late than never!). The discussion on our own list has been pretty lively. Ben On 3/30/2015 5:22 PM, Rachel Uwa wrote: > hi all, > > i wasn't referring to health and safety but more code of conduct, > pretty much a must have for > any organisation these days imho! > > see ours here from the Berlin community: > https://rubyberlin.github.io/code-of-conduct/ > > I signed up my own School of Machines, Making & Make-Believe as soon > as I heard about its existence. > Having all community members on the same page really makes a > difference to the quality of our > close communities here in Berlin. I'd encourage all spaces and groups > to consider it:) > > cheers, > Rachel > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Ben Brown > wrote: > > We tend to err on 'don't restrict unless it become a serious > problem', in this case we have alcohol at our space, and members > BYOB. Sometimes there's leftover booze from parties and other > events. It hasn't caused a problem so far. > > Our Health and Safety policy is common-sense and due-diligence > based. We provide safety gear, procedures and training for > specific tools (like a laser cutter or cnc router), but otherwise > you're on your own. If you hurt yourself using power tools after > 10 beers, it's your own damn fault. > > Additionally, a member can be asked to leave, faces suspension or > even termination for irresponsible and dangerous behavior that > goes against the H&S policy. > > Ben > > > On 3/30/2015 5:04 PM, Dave wrote: >> We're currently looking at alcohol use in the space. There are >> some members who think it's a really bad idea (drunks and power >> tools) while others think it's a matter of personal responsibility. >> >> We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events for >> various organizations as a way of increasing visibility and >> recruiting members. Beer and wine are served at those events, >> but the breakers to the tools are turned off. >> >> I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol use, and >> how that's worked out? >> >> Cheers, >> David >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > -- > /////////////////////////////////////// > > *Founder / School of Machines, Making & Make-Believe | > *http://schoolofma.org/ > > /////////////////////////////////////// > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ben at generik.ca Mon Mar 30 23:44:56 2015 From: ben at generik.ca (Ben Brown) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 17:44:56 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Alcohol policies? In-Reply-To: References: <5519BD50.2070101@generik.ca> Message-ID: <5519C3D8.6000803@generik.ca> That's an interesting issue :) Do you have a general 'no smoking' policy in your space, or does it depend on the substance? Or no policy at all? I'm genuinely curious -- our province is very anti-smoking, and in our region it's practically banned in all public spaces and businesses. Even if we weren't required to be smoke-free, we'd probably be anyway, if anything but for the mess it can create. We're not so good at the whole consistent cleaning thing ;) Ben On 3/30/2015 5:36 PM, Sam Ley wrote: > Here in CO we have the added excitement of marijuana use in the space. ;) > > Our policy is like most of the "common sense" policies here. You are > responsible for your own safety, and not creating a dangerous > situation for others. If your use of alcohol or marijuana causes one > of those situations, then you may be asked to stop. So far our members > have shown good general responsibility, and only once or twice has > someone had to suggest "maybe try some nice painting instead of using > the chop saw today..." > > -Sam > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Joshua Pritt > wrote: > > We're still a new space but at Melbourne Makerspace, Florida we've > made a rule not to leave beer behind in the fridge after you > BYOB. Otherwise someone could get us for "supplying" the alcohol > that got them hurt, etc. I agree that as long as people aren't > drinking themselves into a big ol' douchecanoe and actin' a fool > then it's OK to BYOB. Just remember to take home the leftovers. > Having a code of conduct to follow is also very reasonable and > should part of the "be excellent to each other" rule. > Perhaps not drinking until you are as drunk as a bicycle would > help you to follow rule #1 as well: "Do not be on fire." > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Rachel Uwa > wrote: > > hi all, > > i wasn't referring to health and safety but more code of > conduct, pretty much a must have for > any organisation these days imho! > > see ours here from the Berlin community: > https://rubyberlin.github.io/code-of-conduct/ > > I signed up my own School of Machines, Making & Make-Believe > as soon as I heard about its existence. > Having all community members on the same page really makes a > difference to the quality of our > close communities here in Berlin. I'd encourage all spaces and > groups to consider it:) > > cheers, > Rachel > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Ben Brown > wrote: > > We tend to err on 'don't restrict unless it become a > serious problem', in this case we have alcohol at our > space, and members BYOB. Sometimes there's leftover booze > from parties and other events. It hasn't caused a problem > so far. > > Our Health and Safety policy is common-sense and > due-diligence based. We provide safety gear, procedures > and training for specific tools (like a laser cutter or > cnc router), but otherwise you're on your own. If you hurt > yourself using power tools after 10 beers, it's your own > damn fault. > > Additionally, a member can be asked to leave, faces > suspension or even termination for irresponsible and > dangerous behavior that goes against the H&S policy. > > Ben > > > On 3/30/2015 5:04 PM, Dave wrote: >> We're currently looking at alcohol use in the space. >> There are some members who think it's a really bad idea >> (drunks and power tools) while others think it's a matter >> of personal responsibility. >> >> We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events >> for various organizations as a way of increasing >> visibility and recruiting members. Beer and wine are >> served at those events, but the breakers to the tools are >> turned off. >> >> I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol >> use, and how that's worked out? >> >> Cheers, >> David >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > -- > /////////////////////////////////////// > > *Founder / School of Machines, Making & Make-Believe | > *http://schoolofma.org/ > > /////////////////////////////////////// > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dosman at packetsniffers.org Tue Mar 31 00:09:15 2015 From: dosman at packetsniffers.org (dosman) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 18:09:15 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Alcohol policies? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <596DE978-6816-4256-A3D4-C32EF0410313@packetsniffers.org> I want to believe that our communities will generally have good results with drugs and alcohol in our spaces. By our nature we trust our members to not dismember themselves on dangerous equipment. This self-selects people who won?t subject themselves to situations where they could lose out to natural selection. If that were not the case your space would likely fail out anyway from people who can?t handle themselves to begin with. This of course does not preclude good judgement like having liability waivers and even informal policies about no-drinking and use of power tools. But it?s less likely that not having these last two items will earn your space a darwin award. > On Mar 30, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Derek H wrote: > > Post signs starting that nobody is allowed to use any power tools after consuming alcohol, and get each and every member to sign a doc to that effect as well. Enforce some sort of "no drunkenness" rule. On the days that you host some sort of alcohol serving event, cut power to the tools. > > If you do those things, you're still liable as hell. But.. people want their beer, and sometimes a little social lubrication can be good for some folks. > > There isn't a good answer for this. > > On Mar 30, 2015 4:04 PM, "Dave" > wrote: > We're currently looking at alcohol use in the space. There are some members who think it's a really bad idea (drunks and power tools) while others think it's a matter of personal responsibility. > > We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events for various organizations as a way of increasing visibility and recruiting members. Beer and wine are served at those events, but the breakers to the tools are turned off. > > I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol use, and how that's worked out? > > Cheers, > David > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wodann at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 00:20:36 2015 From: wodann at gmail.com (Brendan Halliday) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 08:20:36 +1000 Subject: [hackerspaces] Alcohol policies? In-Reply-To: <596DE978-6816-4256-A3D4-C32EF0410313@packetsniffers.org> References: <596DE978-6816-4256-A3D4-C32EF0410313@packetsniffers.org> Message-ID: At HSBNE we don't really have any rules relating to it and occasionally the founder will bring in a carton when things get tense and drama-y to hand out. That being said, there's an (often uncommunicated) expectation that if you're doing unsafe things or doing things that can make other members _feel_ unsafe (If you can't adequately explain why it isn't unsafe, it generally is unsafe IMO) then you can be asked to stop or leave. Several of our members injure themselves enough when sober though, and I'd hate to think what'd happen if they'd been doing those activities drunk. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 8:09 AM, dosman wrote: > I want to believe that our communities will generally have good results > with drugs and alcohol in our spaces. By our nature we trust our members to > not dismember themselves on dangerous equipment. This self-selects people > who won?t subject themselves to situations where they could lose out to > natural selection. If that were not the case your space would likely fail > out anyway from people who can?t handle themselves to begin with. This of > course does not preclude good judgement like having liability waivers and > even informal policies about no-drinking and use of power tools. But it?s > less likely that not having these last two items will earn your space a > darwin award. > > > On Mar 30, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Derek H wrote: > > Post signs starting that nobody is allowed to use any power tools after > consuming alcohol, and get each and every member to sign a doc to that > effect as well. Enforce some sort of "no drunkenness" rule. On the days > that you host some sort of alcohol serving event, cut power to the tools. > > If you do those things, you're still liable as hell. But.. people want > their beer, and sometimes a little social lubrication can be good for some > folks. > > There isn't a good answer for this. > On Mar 30, 2015 4:04 PM, "Dave" wrote: > >> We're currently looking at alcohol use in the space. There are some >> members who think it's a really bad idea (drunks and power tools) while >> others think it's a matter of personal responsibility. >> >> We also have been hosting occasional "reception" events for various >> organizations as a way of increasing visibility and recruiting members. >> Beer and wine are served at those events, but the breakers to the tools are >> turned off. >> >> I'm wondering if other spaces have considered alcohol use, and how that's >> worked out? >> >> Cheers, >> David >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sam.ley at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 02:35:27 2015 From: sam.ley at gmail.com (Sam Ley) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 20:35:27 -0400 Subject: [hackerspaces] Alcohol policies? In-Reply-To: <5519C3D8.6000803@generik.ca> References: <5519BD50.2070101@generik.ca> <5519C3D8.6000803@generik.ca> Message-ID: As for smoking policies, as is common in Colorado, we have no cigarette smoking inside, and pot smoking is discouraged (though vaguely more socially accepted). Most users vaporize though, which we allow indoors since it is so inoffensive in smell (at least compared to the normally smelly activities in the space). It is worth noting also that our space has a wide range of users - some heavy metal workers who are a lot more conscious about working while impaired, down to Arduino hackers who are welcome to program high if they want, all the way to painters who can do whatever they like. -Sam On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Ben Brown wrote: > I'm genuinely curious -- our province is very anti-smoking, and in our > region it's practically banned in all public spaces and businesses. Even if > we weren't required to be smoke-free, we'd probably be anyway, if anything > but for the mess it can create. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From webmind at puscii.nl Tue Mar 31 17:01:52 2015 From: webmind at puscii.nl (webmind) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 17:01:52 +0200 Subject: [hackerspaces] Alcohol policies? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <551AB6E0.6000301@puscii.nl> At Technologia Incognita there is a supply of beer, usually some wine and sometimes some stronger stuff. People are rarely drunk, no drunken accidents either. As such we have nothing written down related to alcohol usage. Smoking whether it is tabacco or marijuhana is not accepted, ecigs get occasionally used inside but there have been some issues with it due to smells. We have no other clear regulations on drugs usage outside of having to follow Dutch law. At LAG there is usually some beer present, but consumption is quite minimal, no rules whatsoever, but also no havy machinery or much drunkenness. 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