[hackerspaces] are we creating a political discussion list?

nicolle n. superherogirl at gmail.com
Tue Dec 6 19:51:51 CET 2011

politics disgusts me, and i don't enjoy talking about it.  i see the
formation of an even vaguely palatable government as a totally lost cause,
not worth my time or energy.  hacking, to me, is apolitical...i do it
because it interests me.

that said, i don't have a problem when discussions turn political on here.
i get the feeling that my exasperation-turned-apathy puts me in a tiny
minority, and i know many do see hacking as political.  i'm not drowning in
the volume of the list, and i can always choose to tune out on threads that
don't interest me.

On Dec 6, 2011 12:43 PM, "Phillip Rhodes" <motley.crue.fan at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Justis Peters <justis.peters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On the first thread where discussions of DoD and DARPA turned into
> dozens of
> > participants, we were told to "shut up and hack" by some folks who
> thought
> > it was noise. A few people suggested that we get our own list.
> >
> > Are we going to create that discussion list or are we going to continue
> > turning this list into a political discussion list?
> >
> > I think that these discussions are highly relevant to the business of
> > running a hackerspace, but I do not think that so strongly that I would
> want
> > to lose a bunch of subscribers. Conversation that is inclusive of
> everyone
> > is sometimes more important than conversation that is inclusive of every
> > topic.
> My personal opinion?  I acknowledge that not everyone is interested in
> the political stuff and I hate the idea
> of turning people off of the list due to the content.  But I
> personally don't think that "political" discussion is
> necessarily off-topic per-se.   But I'm one of those people for whom
> hacking is fundamentally a political thing.
> I make very little distinction between hacking and politics these days.
> I see governments, large corporations (hi, Sony, Microsoft, etc.) and
> other players on the world-stage as trying to
> control access to information, and to control the flow of information,
> as a way to perpetuate their own agenda
> at the expense of the people.  I have a problem with that, and my
> hacking is slowly taking on more and more
> of a political tone, since I see things in terms of "hackers versus
> the bad guys" with the stakes being some very
> fundamental things - such as the right to hack your own property,
> which you bought and paid for.
> But, to be fair, I'm a pretty radical anarcho-capitalist /
> crypto-anarchist and my views may not exactly be what
> you'd call "mainstream."  <shrug />
> Phil
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